Sheila Madrak (@shishfish), a marine ecologist pursuing her PhD in Conservation Ecology from the Joint Doctoral Program in Ecology at San Diego State University and UC Davis, was nice enough to drive up from San Diego with her pet turtle Petunia and talk about marine life, ecosystems, how to keep them safe, and the role of humans in all of it. We also enjoyed some Ruination Ale from Stone Brewing in San Diego. All of which was thoroughly enjoyable. A call to Kim Bowman, who has been incredibly helpful with the podcast so far, kicks it off as we chat about her genealogy. Get nice and cozy and join in.

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